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my cat is searching for a wounded chipmunk." watching anderson cooper giggle is like watching a unicorn fart rainbows. at the end of the day, if laughing about a french actor openly relieving himself on a plane is wrong, i don't want to be right. i'll see you at 10:00 eastern tonight. piers morgan starts now. >> magnificent, anderson. the whole of cnn is deeply proud of you. >> thank you, yes. i'm sure they are. unfortunately we have to go to more serious news. the asian markets responding to the markets today. dow down 9.5% so far this month alone. what happens next? and is your money safe? these are the leading questions. ali velshi, i'll start with you
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with the usual. what is going on, ali? >> look, we started off the day this morning with a rough night in asia. european markets on news that, you know, the german economy, the strongest in europe has weakened to almost a stall, the french economy, absolutely no growth in the quarter. that took u.s. markets downright off the top. but before that, more than 12 hours ago, we got a report from morgan stanley to say what we've all been saying, global economies are slowing down, that they were on the -- we're dangerously close to a recession, we may need more intervention in europe from the european central bank and more from the fed. and you know, you've been talking about this, piers, that rick perry said that we can't have more intervention. in fact, if the fed were to intervene, it would be treasonous, it's that whole set-up, what are we going to do if things are really bad? we have no political agreement in this country. and add a few economic reports and i won't bore you with right now that came out again before markets opened this morning, just added up into a big mix. people were running from the
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markets, putting their money into gold, which hit another record, and savings bonds. >> this is pretty serious, isn't it? we've been talking about the possibility of having some kind of second recession. is this looking more likely now, do you think? >> it is. these things tend to be a self-fulfilling prophesy. i think ali had it exactly right. you know, for two years, we've tried a number of short-term stimulus measures to try to get our economy growing again. the markets have now figured out that those have not led to learn economic growth. so people are scared. when people are scared, they save more, they spend less, corporations invest less, they retrench and that can become a self-fulfilling prophesy. what's happening in washington is making a bad situation worse because it's hurting confidence, and that could tip us into recession. >> the morgan stanley report mentioned the policy errors in both the united states and europe led to the global downgrade. is this then a crisis caused by
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politics rather than straightforward economics? >> it absolutely is. that's the one kind of big difference from this crisis, if we're to call it a crisis yet. and back in 2008 when it was directly the result of, you know, the greedy bankers and all that. this past week or two of this volatility was really specifically due to the gridlock that was in washington, the inability to get to a debt deal once we did, it wasn't enough, and it was already too little, too late. s&p ldid it because we're unabl to muster the political will to do so. and that's exactly what the morgan stanley report cited as the policy errors. so that's a big, big thing that's happening here. you also have to add on this, you can't underestimate enough how much the market is so skittish right now, it's august, our volume is low, and that means the market can swing wildly one way or the other with not too much movement.
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the market can go down if it's going to rain tomorrow, if there aren't enough sales of u.s. open tickets. it's that sensitive right now. and then pile on top of that, the cascading -- today we got several negative indicators coming one right after another. it all comes back to the political situation for the first time in quite some time. >> piers before you ask anything else, does this what you're looking at on your screen weird you out a little bit. those two guys in the bottom, right corner? >> you always weird me out, ali. i don't know how you have the energy. i wake up to you at 6:00 a.m. >> it's actually neil you're waking up to. >> you're always bursting with detail about these markets. and i don't know when you sleep. when do you sleep? >> after this. >> let me come to you because you're the personal finance expert of this stunning quartet, carmen, as ali observed. if you're an ordinary person in the street here, you're looking at wall street in meltdown fear, politicians acting through fear,
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you've got every reason to be pretty fearful yourself about your own financial status. what should people be doing right now? >> well, you shouldn't be afraid if you are sticking around for the long-term. you absolutely should not be. here's the thing. i don't want folks to be sitting on their hands or sitting on their fannies. i want you to look and see where you're at. and if you're comfortable with the volatility that's happening right now because you have a long-term outlook and you know what's happening today or the next couple of weeks or months is not going to affect your money in the long-term and that you're buying low, which is when you should be buying. there's a sale going on, then you're going to be okay. the danger here is if you let fear make you make a giant move like putting everything into cash. i have never seen americans and large corporations have so much in common right now in terms of hoarding cash, which is something that really can be damaging in the long-term because it's incredibly short-term thinking. retirement is a real, real issue and concern for folks. we're going to have a lot less security measures in terms of pensions are going to be gone and social security, what where
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he going to do? we have to be responsible and intelligent about what we do now instead of reacting on fear. >> your boss today said the following in a tweet. recession likely as markets recognize impotency of policymakers. that sounds cataclysmic. if the feds are running out of bullets, running out of ideas. sounds like not much money left to try to save this situation. >> well, what's left is hard, structural measures. so we've tried short-term stimulative measures, and the fed is one of those short-term sources of stimulus by lowering interest rates to try to boost the economy. so they tried quantitative easing last year. it led to a short-term boost, but then as it ended, the economy started to contract again. so the fed is doing whatever it can do. but what we need now are more controversial measures, long-term economic growth measures. that means reforming our entitlements, that means reforming our tax code, investing for growth. this is harder to do, they've done the easy stuff.
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this is the hard stuff. but right now, washington is completely dysfunctional, and washington is telling the market, you're on your own. we can't help you anymore. and that's why investors are scared. that's why the markets are reacting so violently every day. >> and ali, there's been a bit of a controversy today about the president going on a holiday, a vacation. i don't begrudge him his rest. he certainly needs it. he's working overtime for a long period. it seems an unusual time here where you have what appears to be meltdown in the global markets and most of washington having caused in many people's eyes this crisis have all disappeared off to the beach. >> yeah, it's interesting, although, because last week when the president came out and spoke about the economy, it had no particular effect or good effect on the economy. so there are two schools of thought here. that the president needs to come out with something and said in september he'll come out with a jobs plan. and there are a whole bunch of people saying why are we waiting for september? why is he going on vacation? we need an answer to this.
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the reality, though, piers, is i think at this point whatever the president decides to do has got to be very, very well thought out. he talked to wolf the other night and talked about trade deals here and there. on the margins, that kind of thing is generally good for the economy. at this point, we don't need something on the margins, we need something very big and very important. and neil just mentioned about the kind of entitlement reform and tax reform we need to get. it's absolutely true, but honestly, neil and i both have a better chance of growing an afro than congress coming together on tax reform any time soon. so i think we need a better solution than that. >> you're right on that one. >> you're right, ali, about this weird-looking screen. it's like beauty and the beast from where i'm sitting. and let me ask you -- i don't want to say who beauty and the beast is. i want to think to the average viewer it's pretty obvious. if you're the president and
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you're watching this, going on for weeks and months now. you're going to come back from vacation with the expectancy from the nation to do something pretty dramatic. what does he have? if the feds run out of bullets, what does the president have in his locker that he can do that is dramatic enough to stop this market mayhem? >> well, something about jobs. there's really no substitute for good, old-fashioned demand. and that's what this economy needs. you know, everything we've done so far, the fed's bullets, it's all been sort of artificial. getting people back to work creates revenue -- creates tax revenue, gets people off from unemployment. and it makes people invest in their businesses again. what we need is the kind of organic growth that makes peo e people -- makes me want to start a business or makes companies want to buy ads in "fortune" magazine. and jobs is the easiest -- i don't want to say easiest, but that's the most logical way to start.
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also the one thing that has the biggest bang for your buck in terms of gathering the will of the american people and letting us think that there's a solution on the way. i mean, jobs is the biggest crisis, and it's the one that's not been fully addressed. >> but wouldn't that mean that the president actually would have to -- it would have to be another stimulus, right? >> there would have to be government spending. >> that is a fear that regular american folks are seeing. they saw what happened with the debt ceiling. they really don't think washington can agree on anything. so when the confidence is gone, that's why the money's being pulled out. >> let me ask neil and ali to round this off very quickly. do you predict, then, that there will be a new stimulus from the government to try and get this economy going again? neil, first to you? >> i think that we need to focus on spending. not all spending is created equal. we tried spending, that just created a short-term boost. if we invest in building jobs, long-term economic growth, i think we could see support if
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that's combined with a long-term program to reform our entitlements and our tax code. so it's possible, though not likely. >> unfortunately, neel's right. it's highly complex. and it's not certain that congress has the capacity to deal with, you know, chewing gum and walking at the same time, but it does have to be a combination of tax cuts that are very targeted, that cause businesses to do with lee said, hire people, along with some stimulus, government investment that will get work done on infrastructure, electrical grid, things like that. it does have to be a compromise and a combination and it has to together feel very big. again, we've got some proposals on this, it tends to come from the left because the right tends to have one answer to this, and that is cut taxes. we're not getting a whole lot of creative solutions. we're going to have to -- you know what you need to do, piers, treat it like the debt ceiling deadline. we need a jobs plan that feels like the debt ceiling deadline and maybe get some creative thinking on this. >> fear and panic don't help. it's time to keep our hair on,
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which will obviously only apply to splthree of the panelists. beauties, beasts, thank you very much. coming up, christine o'donnell's surprising departure from this show last night and the long tradition of politicians dodging the question. >> what is your opinion on therapy? and is it something that is conducted at the center? >> well, i'm running for the presidency of the united states. and i'm here today to talk about job creation. [ male announcer ] where'd you get that idea?
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last night, for the first time in my 25-year interviewing career, my guest just walked off. that guest was, of course, former u.s. senate candidate christine o'donnell. she objected to what i thought were perfectly reasonable questions and left the studio rather than having to answer them. here's that moment for those of you who missed it. >> why are you being weird about this? >> i'm not being weird about this, piers. i'm not running for office, i'm not promoting an agenda, i'm promoting the policies i lay out in the book that are mostly
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fiscal, but mostly constitutional. that's why i agreed to come on your show, that's what i want to talk about. i'm not being weird, you're being a little rude. >> i think i've been rather charming and respectful. i'm just asking you questions based on your own public statements and now what you've written in your own book. it's hardly rude to ask you, surely. >> don't you think as a host if i say this is what i want to talk about, that's what we should address? >> not really, no. you're a politician. >> okay. yeah. i'm being pulled away. we turned down another interview for this. >> where are you going? you're leaving? >> well, i was supposed to be speaking at the republican women's club at 6:00, and i chose to be a little late for that, not to be -- you know, not to endure a rude talk show host, but to talk to you about my
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book, to talk to the issues i address in my book. have you read the book? >> yes, but these issues are in your book. that's my point. you do talk about them. >> okay. all right. are we off? are we done? >> he's still there. >> i'm still here. >> he says he still wants to talk to you. >> welm -- well -- >> it would appear the interview has just been ended. >> i did extend an invitation for christine o'donnell to come back on the show tonight. but she tweeted she had a very, very busy schedule today and unfortunately couldn't make it and i was a cheeky bugger. make of that what you will. joining me is the national correspondent for "the atlantic." what did you make of that? am i losing the plot here? or was i behaving in a responsible journalistic manner? >> i think the only explanation for why ms. o'donnell responded the way she did was she must have panicked. there's no good explanation for letting that become such an awkward moment since anybody who
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would experience in public life could find 20 ways to finesse the answer. it's very difficult to be under this public scrutiny. and when people are propelled up to a new level. we've seen it with rick perry, we saw it with sarah palin three years ago with her questions about the newspapers. it takes a little while to get one's sea legs. and i'm sure she'll answer the question differently tomorrow or the next day. >> what i found extraordinary was her statement today. she gave a few reasons for why she'd done this. and the main one seemed to be that i was obsessed with talking to her about sex. if you'd seen the clip i just played, no one was talking about sex. i was asking her about the ongoing quite burning political issue of the day about gay marriage given michele bauchmann's opposition to it. and i thought it was a perfectly reasonable thing to ask another tea party person. >> it seems perfectly reasonable to me. and i was particularly touched by your correct use of the mu ,
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bemuse. you saw some episodes of that earlier in the program too. even among professionals. because what politicians can usually do is say, well, my views on this are well known, i'm part of the conservative tradition, but what i'm really here to talk about is x, y, and z and get past the moment. >> you were jimmy carter's chief speech writer, so you would have been involved at the sharp end. what i was struck by was, this is somebody who has been through a whole midterm election campaign. and is quite used to these kinds of questions. and is also quite used to the mechanics of an interview. and yet still wanted to, i think, embarrass herself and make herself look a bit silly, which i found a bit weird, as i said, from a politician point of view. >> it must be that it's been now six plus months, longer than almost a year since she was under this kind of attention from the national media. and so she may be out of
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practice in that way. and a different kind of question than she was getting on the circuit. but again, the first time she has done this interview. and you know these questions will be asked by your successors in the interviewer's chair over the next weeks and we'll hear a different kind of response. she's not going to walk out of every interview from this one on. >> i should hope not. i want to bring in todd rogers, assistant professor on policy at harvard school. what did you make of it? >> well, i thought -- i thought it was fascinating that she managed to push back on you when you were asking these questions without making any effort to really try to dodge them. it was like she thought she had control over the interview for a lot of them. >> yeah. i'm struck by that. her statement. if i'm coming on a show like this, i decide what you talk to me about. well, that's not how this works, i'm afraid. i want to play you a clip, actually.
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we've got clips of various politicians dodging questions in i would say a smarter way. let's start with michele bauchmann. this was when she was asked about her husband's clinic. watch this and see how she reacted. >> what is your opinion on the therapy? and is it something that is conducted at that center? >> well, i'm running for the presidency of the united states. and i'm here today to talk about job creation and also the fact that we do have a business that deals with job creation. we're very proud of the business that we've created. >> i mean, todd, that was marvelous there. she completely rolled the question and said something completely different. >> right. so the research that i've been doing with my corroborator mike noorton, we've done a series of these experiments where we have speakers offer answers to questions that are objectively different than the question they're asked. but feel similar. and what we found is that viewers watching this exchange
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often, most of the time, fail to realize that the speaker didn't answer the question and rate the speaker just as likable, honest, and trustworthy as if they had answered the question. but that's not true for all dodges. right? so you can dodge egregiously and viewers recognize it and they punish you for it. so i was thinking a lot about your question of when you were asking ms. o'donnell about gay marriage. you said what are your views on gay marriage, and it was clear she didn't want to answer that. right? >> james, i think the only conclusion you can draw when a politician who refuses to answer a straightforward question is they're worried that their honest answer is going to embarrass them. >> yes, and again, this was sort of a rookie error. if you'd had anybody with seasoning in national politics,
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they would have found a way to handle this. and dodging questions in the form of lying or refusing to engage is different which is to steer the discourse under the larger points they want to make. and that can be frustrating for us interviewers and sometimes members of the public, but it's part of their duty just as the manager of a company isn't always saying what his exact feelings are, the parents in the family aren't revealing everything in front of their kids. so certain things where a politician is trying to advance the argument as opposed to just saying the spontaneous content of his or her mind. >> what do you think? >> i think that's absolutely true. there are a variety of strategies the politicians attempt to use. for example, these long introductions. you ask me about same-sex marriage, but i want to tell you there are so many important problems facing america today. i'm glad you asked me that. long transitions. and there are other things that we've learned that are hilari s
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hilarious. if a politician answers the question but stutters, you know, hesitates, it signals that they're hiding something or whatever else. it's better from a viewer's standpoint to speak fluently about a different question than to stutter and mutter through the right question. which is -- >> and the best way -- and the best way, i think, was when ronald reagan was really chucked a bullet of a question. let's see how he responded. because this was genius. >> yeah. >> some of your staff say you were tired after your most recent encounter with mr. mondale. i recall, yet, that president kennedy had to go for days on end with very little sleep during the cuban missile crisis, is there any doubt in your mind that you will be able to function in such circumstances? >> not at all. and i want you to know that also i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit or -- for political purposes my
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opponent's youth and inexperience. >> now, that, gentlemen, is the way to do it, isn't it? dodge the bullet and do it with humor and grace and get everybody immediately on your side. thank you, both very much for joining me. >> thank you. >> thanks. and more on this later. we'll show the greatest walk-offs in history. and i think christine o'donnell may be right up there now. coming up next, an outspoken american original, frankly anything could happen here, meatloaf, on your come. >> anything can happen. okay. [ male announcer ] it's a fact: your nutritional needs can go up when you're on the road to recovery. proper nutrition can help you get back on your feet. three out of four doctors recommend the ensure brand for extra nutrition. ensure clinical strength has revigor and thirteen grams of protein to protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. and immune balance to help support your immune system.
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considering the theme of keeping things unpredictable this week, i'm joined by a man who says i can ask him absolutely anything. he's got a new cd out called "hell in a hand basket." he's the original bat out of hell. he's the rock 'n' roll wild man, meatloaf. welcome. >> a rock 'n' roll wild man, huh? >> you can just stay in your chair. >> i'm going to stay in my chair, i promise. i'm going to stay in my chair. >> could you imagine doing that?
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have you walked out of an interview? >> no. i would argue with you, that's what i would do. i wouldn't get up and leave. i would flat out have an argument. >> that's what i think. i found it very baffling. >> that's what you would do. >> i wouldn't even think of walking out of an interview. >> well, you just intimidated her. >> yeah. >> and she had no response. >> what do you -- we obviously started with a more serious matter, which is the debt crisis enveloping america. what do you think is happening to your country's economy? >> i think i answered that question with the title of the album. and it's based on the world's going to hell in a hand basket. that's really true. the economy -- and you hear them all the time talk about the greed of wall street, the greed of citi, and that's basically kind of true.
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they -- >> who do you blame? is it the bankers? is it the politicians? >> it's all of the above. >> and the american public for overspending? what do you think? >> i think -- i think. in partly the american public because people -- the old saying want to keep up with the joneses, you know. look, dear, they got a new volvo. how can they have a volvo and we don't? you know? a nice swedish car. >> isn't it kind of part of the american dream? the class system in america seems to me has always been built around hard work, aspiratio aspirations, success, achievement. >> that's what it is based around. it's hard work, as far as i'm concerned. because that's what i've done my entire life. and that's what i still do. and last year i was home -- and
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what year is this? 2011. 2010, in 2010, a total for the entire year of six weeks. >> really? >> and i was working. and i worked really hard. >> you've recently had a few health scares. you've been keeling over. what's been going on? are you okay? >> yeah, i'm fine. >> you look all right. >> if i keel over now, just get the paramedics, and believe me, i'll finish the interview, i won't leave. no, i have asthma. and i -- i still think that i'm like 28 or 29 years old. and that i can do what, you know, those -- well, i think i can do what justin bieber can do, which is, you know, you never get tired at how old he is. but i still think i'm that age. >> looking at pictures here now. you can see it.
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>> that's in pittsburgh, and i was having a really bad asthma attack, and my chest was killing me and i couldn't get any air. and we finished a song and i went back and i knelt down at the drummer and looked at my drummer and said, i thought i was going to pass out. i said the next song's easier and patty the girl who sings with me comes forward, and i'm singing with patty, looking at patty. and i'm singing, and all of a sudden gone. and so -- i guess i was out for over like two minutes. and so i wake up and i go where are we? and somebody goes pittsburgh. and i said, but i know that. where are we in the show? and they went, you took the words out of my mouth. and i said, okay. and i turned to justin who played piano and i said start took the words. i didn't walk out on that either. >> you didn't. i commend you. but part of the problem is, i've seen you perform live. you are like a bat out of hell when you perform live.
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>> you know what? i take the stage as if it's going to be the last thing i ever do. and that's how i perform every night. every night. >> and you keep doing that with your body? do you think -- >> i don't know, we'll find out. >> is it maybe sending you a few messages here? slow down a little bit? >> yeah, probably have to slow down a little bit. but i do -- i go through -- i don't know if you've ever been in a locker room before a football game or baseball game and it's like, i have a friend who manages the dodgers now named don mattingly, and i was at yankee stadium hanging out on the field with don and we were playing catch and throwing the ball around, and i sang the national anthem and came back into the dugout. and he had a different look. the focus, they were in the zone. and so for two or three hours
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before a show, i'm the same. it's like i'm in the zone. and i go out on the stage as if it's the last thing i'll ever do. i will -- and that's why i've said, if i'm going out, i'm going out on the stage. >> let's take a little break. >> i'm good now. i didn't prepare like that back there. >> we have a little break anyways. a commercial break. i want to talk to you about "bat out of hell" which was the album, the seminal album of my youth. i want to thank you and pay tribute to you. >> thank you. as a manager, my team counts on me to stay focused. so i take one a day men's 50+ advantage. it's the only complete multivitamin with ginkgo to support memory and concentration. plus it supports heart health. [ bat cracks ] that's a hit. one a day men's. [ male announcer ] this is our beach. ♪ this is our pool.
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>> back with meat loaf, that was your single paradise by the dash board life. that was a great anthem from this album. i remember, when that came out i was about 12 or 13, and for the next four years this record will be played almost constantly in my life. at school, at home, we were all little bats out of hell. >> it was released as a single in the states. and it was released as a single in the uk. and it was the only single -- i think to get in the top ten at that time, and it was number one in australia and all around the world, and they released it in america. and there was a gentleman by the name of casey kasem, and when "paradise" got to number 38, he actually put into the envelope
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or whatever a handwritten note that said get this trash out of the top ten. which is like, you know, that's like a kindergarten thing now. >> how many -- how many copies of "bat out of hell" worldwide have now been sold? >> around 42 million. >> unbelievable. >> and it was only "thriller" and ac/dc back ahead of us. >> third biggest selling album worldwide. dare i ask you how much money it made you? >> it hadn't made me any money. >> why? >> they declared me in breach of contract in 1982. and in 1982, i got sued for $100 million. and lost.
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>> you sell 43 million copies of this album and barely made any money out of it? >> i think i got a check last week $1.29. and i'm really serious. i've seen statements come from the old records where i actually owe them money. and i'm not lying. >> that's ridiculous. >> they would charge me like 77 cents for selling a record. because they had what they called cut-outs. >> how much should you have made? >> banked in -- i -- i really don't know. maybe after you pay the producers and everybody, $12 million, $14 million, $15 million, maybe. i got a check once for $285,000, which was not bad. i bought a house. >> in total, have you made less than $1 million out of that? >> no, i've made more because we -- we did take them to court at one point. a little bit more, but not a
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lot. >> you've also physically shrunk, those images there, that was a huge meat loaf. >> you showed a picture of me in red and i said, oh, my lord, that picture in red, i weighed about 330 pounds. >> did you really? >> and "the paradise" song i was around 310. >> what are you now? >> well, i've gained 7 pounds, i'm sorry you asked me that. i know where i should be, i know where i am. 257, and i don't like it. >> that's still pretty good, though. >> yeah, but i don't like that. >> what would you like to get down to? what's your fighting weight? >> 120. i don't know. probably a healthy weight would probably be 220, 225, something like that. >> getting another little break. i want to talk to you a bit more about politics. >> oh, my word. >> i think you're quite a political guy underneath. >> i have my opinions, yes.
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>> pretty strong ones, i should think. >> i probably do. >> do you know who you're going to vote for next election? >> i have no idea. i couldn't tell you in a million years. >> you're not a democrat. >> i'm not a democrat or a republican. >> interesting. let's find out what you are after the break. >> okay. we'll never stop sharing our memories, or getting lost in a good book. we'll always cook dinner, and cheer for our favorite team. we'll still go to meetings, make home movies, and learn new things. but how we do all this, will never be the same. setting that goal to become a principal. but, i have to support my family, so how do i go back to school? university of phoenix made it doable.
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♪ >> that was, of course, meat loaf in the classic "rocky horror picture show." so you were born marvin lee, you then became michael. >> i did. >> so talk me through this process. how did you end up at meat loaf? >> no. the best story is this one. and i would own the company now if it was today. when i was a kid, i was so big -- i mean i was really big that i literally could not wear blue jeans. and i would have to go down -- my mother would take me to sears and they didn't make blue jeans that would fit me. so i wore like pleated pants in the first grade.
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and a commercial came on the air when i was about 5 or 6 years old from levis was poor, fat marvin can't wear levis. >> you were still called marvin at the time? >> no, i was called meat, but after that, nobody called me marvin. and i went before a judge in connecticut in 1984, and i told him this story. and he said -- and that's what he said to me, if it was today, you'd own the company. and i said -- he goes, so that's why you want to change your name to michael? and i went, yes, sir. and he said, well, normally the process is about six weeks, but in your case, i understand completely, and he turned to his clerk and said give me the stamp. and he stamped it and he handed it to me and said, michael, have a great day. >> that's a great story. are you now legally called meat loaf? >> i had meat loaf on my passport when we first turned
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"bat out of hell." and i went into germany and they kept me in immigration for six hours. so i figured at that point it's probably the best thing to do is get meat loaf off my passport immediately if not sooner. >> what is on your passport? >> michael. >> so that's your -- you go by that name legally? >> since 1984. >> what do you like to be called when you're -- mr. loaf? >> meat. >> meat? >> yeah. the one person -- the first person that ever called me mr. loaf was clive barnes. and he -- he made a quote about ronald julian and mary beth hurd and myself. and it was a very nice quote that followed it. and you can -- it used to be online. he called me mr. loaf. and i'd gone to when we were doing "as you like it" and i said to him, joe, since i'm
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doing shakespeare, maybe we shouldn't use meatloaf. and joe looks at me. and it took me a few seconds to understand what he was saying. and he looked at me and he said, "what? do you think if bill wasn't alive today he wouldn't use meatloaf?" and he walked off. and he walked away. and i'm watching him go. and i'm going, "who's bill?" [ laughter ] >> bill who? and i went, oh. william shakespeare. bill. going going, okay. so -- and he was right. because in "as you like it" shakespeare -- >> i mean, meatloaf or michael or marvin. you've had a pretty extraordinary life. i was doing a little roll call of near-death experiences you've had. crashed in a car which rolled over. struck in the head during a shot put event. >> the car-rolling thing was really good. is was a corvair. >> hang on. struck on the head during a shot put event? >> it was at practice but it was
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62 feet with a 12-pound shot. i won't make you do, this but i do have a dent in my skull from it. >> seriously? >> yeah. okay. right here. you can feel it. >> wow, you have! >> yeah. >> what an amazing thing! meatloaf incidented! >> but i was passed out longer in pittsburgh from the asthma attack than i was getting hit at 62 feet with a 12-pound shot. >> then you broke your legs while performing a concert. you were then struck with wolf parkinson heart syndrome. >> that was a compliment. >> a compliment? >> yes. because when they diagnosed wolf parkinson white the doctor came in and said you're among an elite group. i said, why is that? he goes, marathon runners get wolf parkinson white. and i went, great. okay. let's enter me. so no, pro athletes get that quite a bit. >> you also in 2006 your plane ticket emergency landing in london off the plane's landing gear failed. are you very unlucky or are you
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very lucky because you're still alive? >> i'm very lucky. >> seems to me youer. any guy that gets singled out for a shot put in the head and has a dent in the head and still here. >> if you're in a corvair rolling down into the red river, which is thank goodness didn't have any water in it at the time, full of coors beer coming from oklahoma in high school, and all you hear is the sound -- we had cases of beer in the trunk. and all you hear is the sound of psst! and the other two guys got thrown out and i'm stuck in the backseat of this corvair and i can't get out because i weigh like 300 pounds and i'm the backseat of a corvair! >> and you're still here. >> i'm still here. been cut out of cars, got hid in the head in collisions. >> fantastic. you are one of life's miracles. we'll come back after the break. we're going to show people the greatest walkoffs in the history of television.
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♪ i would do anything for love but i won't do that ♪ >> that is the memorable song "i'll do anything for love but i won't do that" in memory of christine o'donnell. [ laughter ] >> meatloaf, very quickly, we didn't ask you about politics. if you could vote for anyone right now, who would it be? >> christine o'donnell. >> anybody else? seriously. >> the person i probably would vote for is not running at the moment. >> who's that? >> chris christie, governor of new jersey. >> potentially a great
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candidate. >> big guys have to stick together. >> absolutely right. nice talking to you. before we go we're going to have the last word on christine o'donnell's surprise departure from the show last night. we asked jeanne moos to take a look at some of the best walkoffs in the history of television. this is hysterical. >> who doesn't love a walkout? sometimes it makes great tv when hosts and guests disagree. >> why are you being so weird about this? >> i'm not being weird. you're being a little rude. >> but if you're going to walk out of an interview, here's how not to. do not have your p.r. person intentionally block the camera. >> where are you going? >> and if you're going, go. don't linger. >> all right. are we off? >> larry, you're being inappropriate. >> what? >> i'm not going to talk about -- >> i'm asking a question. >> if you're serious about walking off, we recommend you don't keep looking off to the side at your p.r. people. it sort of dilutes the defiant act of walking off if you're looking for advice from the sidelines. >> who are you talking to?
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>> do you have worry about your moment having passed? >> i was curious about one thing. >> do not do as naomi campbell did. do not whack the camera. do not overturn furniture just because the host called then quarterback jim everett a girl's name, chris everett. and do not drop a string of f bombs as comedian andrew dice clay did. >> a guys wants to open a [ expletive ]. can't he do a little [ expletive ] here. so you know what? [ expletive ]. >> remember, tv producers love walkouts. your walkout is likely to end up as a promo. >> sorry. what's your question? >> it's the weirdest interview you'll ever see. >> delete that. >> what sent fergie complete economy off the rails? >> kiss front man gene simmons was being interviewed with his significant other of 28 years when joy behar brought up his
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claim that he slept with 5,000 women. >> my back is good. not so much. >> that's very nice of you to joke about it. >> it's a joke. where are you going? >> thanks for the question. >> his companion headed off toward the new york skyline. what she didn't know was that only way out of here is through this fake garden wall. so momentarily corralled, she paced. >> please come back here. >> you know what, no. you joke about it and it's not funny. >> before your walkout, make sure there's someplace to walk. to jeanne moos, cnn. >> shannon, come back! >> new york. >> fantastic journalism there from jeanne moos. brilliant stuff. meatloaf, thank you so much for not walking out on me. i appreciate it. you restored my faith in interview guests. that's all for us tonight. another fantastically entertaining show. "anderson cooper 360" starts "anderson cooper 360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac --